Bobsalt Posted April 24 Posted April 24 As stated, it's probably a dumb question, but have there been any rumors of anything in the pipeline for WWII? I saw a post on the official FB group for WoG, and saw photos from a game at a con in Europe, and it showed the Italian SM79 being used (I'm guessing a prototype?), but that's about it. I was just on the Ares website and there is nothing listed in their News or Upcoming. I may be wrong (I am married, after all), but I believe that last new planes for WWII released were the Do-17 and Ju-88's back in 2019. If correct, that's five years. I would say that five years with no new product is the very definition of a dead game. I know the Battle of Britain set has been reprinted, but has there been any word on reprinting any of the other fighters commonly used in the war (F4F, P-40, P-51, A6M, etc.)? I ran a couple of scenarios at Daycon a couple of weeks ago - a little demoralizing that every single plane I used between the two games is long out of print and unavailable except on eBay. Quote
Diamondback Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) South Pacific still in development - I'm researching potential scenarios as we speak. No timelines yet that I know of, but we ARE still working on things. Edited April 24 by Diamondback Quote
Baxter Posted April 24 Posted April 24 I am also waiting for the Italian SM79. It has been way too long. Do not worry about the pacific, just release the promised planes. I am thinking that most of us oldies (and therefore major customers) will be flying with the angels by the time they appear. Quote
malachi Posted April 25 Posted April 25 It will probably be faster to learn how to design our own full color shapeways 3D prints. Quote
Diamondback Posted April 25 Posted April 25 I am also waiting for the Italian SM79. It has been way too long. Do not worry about the pacific, just release the promised planes. I am thinking that most of us oldies (and therefore major customers) will be flying with the angels by the time they appear. I think you misunderstand my position, Gary - I'm not an employee, just a consultant, and my SOLE portfolio is historical research, usually on the "closer to the horizon or over it" projects. There isn't a lot I can tell you, between NDA and a lot *I'm* not read in on, but I share what I *can* of what I *do* know. Quote
Baxter Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Yes sorry if I came on a bit strong. No offence to you intended. Diamondback. Quote
Dan-Sam Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Hi, there was a mention about Prague, se let me tell what I know about your questions. Btw, the question is not dumb. There was a mission with SM.79 run by Andrea "Big" (Magnoan here) in Prague two years ago. It was created to test Andrea's (Angiolillo's) torpedo rules (fully developed now). All miniatures were home-made, Shapeways was the source, probably. Dornier 17 and Junkers Ju.88 were released during summer 2020 - I remember decaling them with "can not play them due to Covid" in my mind. So 4 yours, but still terribly long time ago. SM.79 and Blanheims should be the next released miniatures. Should be. Real prototypes were showed by Ares in 2018 in Essen (see this link) The last brand new fighters were released in 2016. I do not want to comment this fact, it is just...sad. BoB was released later and thanks for this set and Squadron Packs, but it is a reprint in fact. There are hints about releasing 4 new fighters (Lightning, Corsair, Aircobra and Hayabusa), you can see 4 years old preview of sculpts here. So: we do not know anything, there are promises, but the only thing we can do is wait for miracle. Quote
Diamondback Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) None taken, amigo. If I'd been offended, you'd know. Daniel, those four fighters are all part of the South Pacific line - per Rob at Ares, and note different font indicating I'm speaking in company voice, The old "series" releases are over, the "themed campaign" starter-and-squadron-packs release model like Battle of Britain is the intended future for all WGS releases. I tried to get them to alternate between "series" and "campaign" releases, but they have a very big problem with production bandwidth, which I suspect is partially because of their very low market-cap by industry standards. This would also explain the heavy focus on "paper products" like boardgames that can be quickly and cheaply pushed to market for high turnover and margin. Edited April 25 by Diamondback Quote
Dan-Sam Posted April 25 Posted April 25 We are not at odds with our information, so not a big deal. My opinion is literary every release would be good now. Quote
Diamondback Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) Sparviero and Blenheim are still in development, but it sounds like a lot went sideways in moving manufacturing to Dust and I would bet that they burned a LOT of the company "rainy day fund" keeping people paid and able to feed themselves through Italy's long and brutal Covid shutdown and are still rebuilding working capital from that. We all tend to forget that the company's run on a shoestring budget and a skeleton crew, they punch way above their weight class on the products they do get out the door but they're still basically a "five-man band" not much bigger than a few guys working out of a garage. As a recovering Business major, this is looking at them as a businessman not a gamer, I would say their main problem is they BADLY need more market capitalization but refuse to consider ANY source of it because they feel that outside investors whether shareholders, bondholders or venture-capital lenders would threaten their creative control. I even suggested something like a OneShare program where they could offer a 30-40% stake up to the market with limits of "only one share per holder and except for transfer by inheritance can only be resold back to Ares and let us longtime diehards become symbolic stakeholders, but... it went down like a kamikaze Zero. (Admittedly, I have zero understanding of Italian corporate law and its takes on "fiduciary duties"...) Edited April 25 by Diamondback Quote
Spad VII Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Hi, there was a mention about Prague, se let me tell what I know about your questions. Btw, the question is not dumb. There was a mission with SM.79 run by Andrea "Big" (Magnoan here) in Prague two years ago. It was created to test Andrea's (Angiolillo's) torpedo rules (fully developed now). All miniatures were home-made, Shapeways was the source, probably. Dornier 17 and Junkers Ju.88 were released during summer 2020 - I remember decaling them with "can not play them due to Covid" in my mind. So 4 yours, but still terribly long time ago. SM.79 and Blanheims should be the next released miniatures. Should be. Real prototypes were showed by Ares in 2018 in Essen (see this link) The last brand new fighters were released in 2016. I do not want to comment this fact, it is just...sad. BoB was released later and thanks for this set and Squadron Packs, but it is a reprint in fact. There are hints about releasing 4 new fighters (Lightning, Corsair, Aircobra and Hayabusa), you can see 4 years old preview of sculpts here. So: we do not know anything, there are promises, but the only thing we can do is wait for miracle. Yes , i find this question is relevant because we've been asking it since the famous prototypes were exhibited, I too am impatiently waiting for the SM 79 and the Blenhein and yes there was a time when this "small structure" called Ares Games released (between 2011 and 2016) 4 different aircraft models each year, it wasn't that long ago but times have indeed changed, thanks Daniel for this history and this information, we'll wait again ! Quote
Bobsalt Posted July 19 Author Posted July 19 So, three months later... The Ares website shows a reprint of BoB and re-release of the WWI basic rule set, coming in September, but if history holds true these will likely be delayed. And... That's it. Nothing new on the horizon 4 years after the last new WWII release. The situation with WWI is bad enough. For WWII, a potential new player who wants to get into the game and wants to play anything except Battle of Britain is out of luck. Quote
Bobsalt Posted August 28 Author Posted August 28 This was posted on the Wings of Glory FB page yesterday. No date given, and not listed on the Ares website. I hate to be "that guy" but I'll believe it when I see it. Quote
Dan-Sam Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Well, at least torpedo rules are complete — Andrea tested them in Prague 2022. The rest...we'll see. Quote
Jager Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Well, at least torpedo rules are complete — Andrea tested them in Prague 2022. The rest...we'll see. How did the rules feel to you, Dan? Karl Quote
Flying Helmut Posted August 29 Posted August 29 How did the rules feel to you, Dan? Karl Not Dan, but... The torpedoes themselves worked very well - the problem I found as an attacking SM.79 was that the ships had a much tighter turning circle than the planes! It was IMPOSSIBLE to score a torpedo hit unless the ship target was bow-on or stern-on. Quote
Dan-Sam Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Well, I would compare them to dambuster bombing rules (by feeling): it is like a game in game - your attacking aircraft is very vulnerable during phase when you need to be precise. I would call it "Swordfish pilot moment". Quote
camel crew Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Will find out how to throw torpedoes at ships at Donnie - this could be amusing Quote
Bobsalt Posted September 6 Author Posted September 6 Ares updated their site today. According to the "Upcoming" there are no releases of new WoG material coming out in 2024. Quote
hokusai Posted September 7 Posted September 7 Ares updated their site today. According to the "Upcoming" there are no releases of new WoG material coming out in 2024. The good news are 'there is always a next year' Quote
Kustenjaeger Posted November 23 Posted November 23 Andrea posted a picture on the official WoG Facebook page last week (originated by Roberto di Meglio) with a comment that a number of production samples had been approved for Sails of Glory and Wings of Glory. When I asked Andrea what these were he did not know though the picture (as well as the BoB boat and Sails of Glory box) includes a Bf-109 squadron pack (presumably an E) and an unidentified larger squadron pack box. Andrea assumes the Spitfire I would also be reprinted. Edward Quote
Dan-Sam Posted November 23 Posted November 23 Resurrection of Sails of Glory? Yay, can't wait! 🤞🏻 Quote
Teaticket Posted November 23 Posted November 23 The word I got from the US ARES rep at Fall In in early November, he said the BoB starter set re-release is coming. Sails too! Quote
Flying Officer Kyte Posted November 24 Posted November 24 (edited) Right on Peter. The site says this for November. WGF002 – WW1 Wings of Glory – Rules & Accessories Pack WGS003A – WW2 Wings of Glory Battle of Britain Starter Set SGN001 – Sails of Glory – Starter Set SGN502A – Sails Of Glory – Terrain Pack – Coasts and Shoals Accessory SGN503A – Sails Of Glory – Terrain Pack – Coastal Batteries Accessory SGN504Z – Sails Of Glory – Damage Counter Bags (Set of 5 different bags) Accessory SGN505A – Sails Of Glory – Additional Ship Mats (Set of 4) Accessory SGN506A – Sails Of Glory – Additional Counter Set Accessory ? Rob. Edited November 24 by Flying Officer Kyte Quote
mikeemagnus Posted November 24 Posted November 24 That looks encouraging. Let's hope it happens. Have to keep a sharp eye on any new releases as I'm guessing some, like the Additional Ship Mats disappear like hot cakes. Re post by Kustenjaeger - Quote as well as the BoB boat and Sails of Glory box) I know its a typo, but I do hope Tim doesn't notice Quote
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