I have the Ares Roy Brown Camel, (Green) the Collishaw Triplane and McCudden SE5a (both brown) and wondered what the logic was as both as chronology or service don’t make sense and so am left with a squadron difference or an Ares error?

Any ideas?

Nick

In 1968-1972 there were a set of scholarly articles published in Cross&Cockade (US) called "Project Butterfly" by A.D. Toelle, H.D. Hastings, and B.F. Hardesty that researched the 5-color paints and schemes in detail¹. I consider it the standard when it comes to this subject, and it is still used by museums today. Their choices for the five colors were Methuen 3F5/3F6, 3E5, 4C4/4C5/4D5, 5E3, and 4D3 for Dark Green, Light Green, Beige, Brown, and underside Light Yellow respectively. The authors acknowledge that there is little contrast between the dark green and brown and between the light green and beige. On fabric surfaces, aluminum powder was mixed into the paints to protect against fading in the sun, and this gave the paints a somewhat glossy or eggshell luster. Aluminum powder was not used in the paints (of the same colors) used on metal surfaces.

The usual caveats: As always, there was frequently variation in paint color, weathering, varnishing, etc., so this is just a general guide. Unless you've got a high-end, wide-gamut monitor in perfect calibration (and who does?), do not trust the colors you see on your monitor! Instead, visit your local paint store and see if you can find paint samples like the ones listed below and then match your hobby paints or mixes against those. The goal is just to "get close". See 'Color: why we'll never get it exactly right'.

Entries with an asterisk (*) are excellent matches; entries with question marks (?) have not been formally measured with a color meter and are therefore unconfirmed; hobby paints with tildes (~) are just very rough matches...the best we can do without a custom color mix.

Where you see "WD" below, it lists the Windsock Datafile that references that particular shade. C&C is for Cross & Cockade; Davilla is for French Aircraft of the First World War, p.575.

¹ Volume 9 #1, Spring 1968; Volume 13 #2, Summer 1972; Volume 13 #4, Winter 1972.

Does anyone have any advice or info on what squadron and markings this particular plane had? I know it had the slanted N on the fuselage after the British Roundel and flight number. Other than that, I am not sure which flight and number the plane was.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Thanks!

First the usual caveats: Unless you've got a high-end, wide-gamut monitor in perfect calibration (and who does?), do not trust the colors you see on your monitor! Instead, visit your local paint store and see if you can find paint samples like the ones listed below and then match your hobby paints against those. The goal is just to "get close". See 'Color: why we'll never get it exactly right'.

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[tr][td]Clear-Doped Linen[/td][td=colspan: 2]Use: early-war planes of most countries[/td][/tr]

[tr][td=colspan: 3]Source: Various Windsock Datafiles[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Methuen/CIElab[/td][td]House Paints and Standards[/td][td]Hobby Paints[/td][/tr]

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91.69, -0.92, 23.08[/td]

[td]AS Y34 Cream

Beauti-Tone Martica B24-6-0811-0 *

Behr Calla PPU6-12 **

Behr Taj Mahal M300-2 *

Benjamin Moore Weston Flax HC-5 **

Dulux Vanilla Cream 41YY 83/214 **

FS595c 27855

NCS1950 S 0515-G90Y

Pantone 7499C

RAL 130-5

Sherwin-Williams Full Moon 6679 **

Valspar Honey Cream 3007-6B **[/td]

[td]TBD[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]http://dummyimage.com/64x64/dbcfa6/333333.png&text=%204B3%20

83.19,-2.36,21.95[/td]

[td]Beauti-Tone Howdy Neighbor B12-5-0385-0 **

Behr Honey Mist MQ3-42

Benjamin Moore Mellowed Ivory 2149-50

Dulux Sunshine Coast 40YY 67/196

NCS1950 S 1515-G90Y **

Sherwin-Williams Ancestral Gold 6407 **

Valspar Ancient Scroll 3008-8B *[/td]

[td]Reaper 9144 Creamy Ivory[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]http://dummyimage.com/64x64/c1b995/333333.png&text=%204C3%20

75.06,-3.11,19.26[/td]

[td]Beauti-Tone New Foliage C41-4-0400-0

Behr Wasabi Powder PPU9-10 *

Benjamin Moore Georgian Green HC-115

Dulux Winter's Silence 50YY 49/191 *

Pantone 453C

Sherwin-Williams Lemongrass 7732

Valspar Withered Moss 6007-3C *[/td]

[td]Reaper 9143 Yellowed Bone

Reaper 9123 Khaki Highlight

?Vallejo 70.837 Pale Sand?[/td]

[/tr]

[/table]

Color matching with 1989 Methuen Handbook of Color and Nix Color sensor

Something like the pattern here:

https://checkingmy6.blogspot.com/2024/07/103rd-aero-decals.html

https://checkingmy6.blogspot.com/2024/07/kosciuszko-squadron-let-decals-begin.html

I found this "original" decoration of an Albatros B.II on the net.

Info or intox?

Does anyone know this profile?

Having recently ordered an "Aerial Desert" game mat from Deep Cut, to be collected at Colours in September, I was wondering if there were any on-line sources of colour schemes for RFC/RAF squadrons in the above theatres, particularly No.1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps (ditto for the Turks, and their German allies/instructors)? It seems odd that all the sources I can find suggest that the same colours were used as for the Western Front, with perhaps PC10 being more common than PC12.

Also, could someone just remind me of the nearest Foundry/Vallejo colours to PC12 and PC10.

Thanks all!!!

Okay so I want to start a local Wings of Glory club here in the USA, so local people can come together twice a month and play Wings of Glory! My kids are gonna help and I’m trying to drum up some interest locally to make it a regular thing just purely for fun!

There are a lot of different gamers that play at this game store here in town and some of them have really nice flags, banners, and posters of their specific games they display while playing!

My hope was to find a Wings of Glory banner, flag, or poster I can display while we are playing! It might sound a little silly but I gotta tell you it’s impressive seeing some of the other guys WH4K and Star Wars posters and banners and flags. I’m jealous! Hahaha

Basically ARE THERE any Wings of glory banners, flags, or posters? If not, can anyone help me design just one for display when we are playing?

Thank you all!

~Chuck

Apologies in advance if this is a touchy subject

TIA

I started by buying 5 Albatros D.III Gruber. They are available on the Aerodrome.

Great plane but I do not like the wing edge and edge of the tail that are yellow. I started by painting over these using Vallejo 099 Ger. Ext. Dark Green and 084 Uniform Green mixed 50/50. This covered a multitude of sins.

To paint over the decal on the wooed I used Vallejo 125 Desert Yellow. It was a perfect match and when I hit it with a gloss coat it blended in perfectly.

For decal I went to Miscmini and ordered their Albatross D.III FLIK.41J 1/144 Scale Decals. They are gorgeous.

These went on with very little effort.

The one good thing is if you don't have a Brumowski and don't want to pay what they are going for on PayPal you can paint one of the Grubers red and use the Brumowski decals on the sheet.

Lastly I hit them with a coat of Lusterless Flat Lacquer Clear Coat Testors to finish them off.

I think the results speak for themselves.

Long time coming, I know, and several "deadlines" missed - anyway, here it is.

As stated in the text, the conclusions are mine, and occasionally differ a little bit from some stand-alone source materials, but overall I think they provide a coherent nearly-all-inclusive result.

A note of thanks (and a ) to Gary (Hu Rhu) who advised me how to get it into PDF format for upload.

Enjoy!

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