Anyone interested in a unified rulebook?
Has there been any talk of such a beast being included in the Flight of the Giants release?
I'd be open to building it, but do you think there'd be reprisals from the publishers?
Unified Rulebook?
Anyone interested in a unified rulebook?
Has there been any talk of such a beast being included in the Flight of the Giants release?
I'd be open to building it, but do you think there'd be reprisals from the publishers?
Bixby looked into combining all of the rule books into on PDF. I think it ended up being a little big much for him to tackle with every thing else he had going on.
In looking over things, there's a lot there... I really think it'd be a very valuable thing for Angi to take on for Flight of the Giants
I think the main problem he ran into was that all the rule books have different things in them, so you had to really dig through them to make sure you got every thing and did not double up on some stuff. Also, most of the PDFs out there have been locked, so you can't just cut and paste from them... means a lot of typing for someone!
Ultimately, it's going to be important to unify the rules since folks are clearly having issues when they start out with some of the more esoteric things. I've found that the best WoW rulebook is probably the one that comes with Burning Drachens. It seems the most complete, but lacks a lot of the miniatures stuff from the Deluxe rulebook for example.
What someone'd really need to do is copy the Deluxe Rules and then add the ground interaction and collision rules from Burning Drachens, plus the WW1 bombing rules that Andrea posted, plus the posted 2-seater Immelman rules from FOG (and possibly all the scenarios from the rulebooks, updated to include height etc as required) No wonder new players can get mixed up !
Yeah the Conflict of Heroes games have this same issue. While any of the published rules will effectively let you play the game, there is a pretty great disparity between the ruleset features in each game.
I did start this and became very busy with too many projects. I think is of significant value but I saw some problems with how to organize the rules. There are many things that I think should be presented in a linear fashion and not as optional rules. That would make rules look up and reading so much easier. Good luck and if I can support you in this, just ask.
I would also be willing to help. Maybe if someone wants to head this up, volunteers can type up sections of the rules... then it can go to the leader to attempt an order for the whole thing. And by leader, I mean Sparty!
I appreciate the offer. I'm planning on taking a look at what this will take tonight. So far I've figured out how to copy & paste the text from the pdf files so text might not be as big of an issue as originally thought.
However... I will definitely need folks to proof. I may submit a proposed Table of Contents to avoid was Col. Hajj was talking about regarding doubling up on various topics, etc.
I'd also like to include the "unofficial official" rules like the unreleased bombing rules, Ace Skills, etc.
One thing I think would be beneficial, would be to put all of the rules in the proper area of the rule book. For instance, altitude rules should be in the maneuver section of the rules. Perhaps the following format would be beneficial. This is just an example suggestion.
Standard Official Rules are 12 point Arial Bold. Most of the rule book would use this format.
Optional Official Rules are 12 point Arial Italicized.
Variants and Fan Rules that are widely used could be 12 Point Arial Italicized in a blue font.
One thing I like in a rules book is all rules located in the section they belong to. In the case of Wings of War.
(1) Setup
(2) Maneuvering
(3) Firing
(4) Damage
I hate having to reference the firing section of a rule book and then flip to the optional rules section of a rule book. All rules pertaining to Firing should be in one location for easy reference.
Just my opinion of course. This is what we have done with a couple of other rules projects. In any case, it is a labour of love and I appreciate you taking point on this.
I can put all gathered info into a booklet format with graphics and final PDF form also.
Thanks for the offers of help and suggestions. I've definitely taken your offers to heart and will be in touch when the time is right.
My plan is:
1 - Inventory everything that's out there about this game since it's now not only in rulebooks, but also on a couple websites AND in forum posts!
2 - Sequence the content in much the same manner that Bixby proposed with optional rules integrated into the relevant sections where appropriate. I see value in promoting an appendix of "house rules" on its own and with optional official rules bundled in a separate section as well...it'd just be too complex. I also think that including FAQ callouts for the relevant sections will be important so that the FAQ finds its way back into the book.
3 - Include a few of the charts, etc. that have been produced like the historical index of planes and the eras in which they flew, etc.
4 - Put together a draft of the Table of Contents and post it here for some initial comments.
5 - Start working through what I'm going to title the "Sourcebook" so there's no confusion with what Nexus & Andrea are doing and it'll keep it strictly fan created and unofficial.
6 - Put together a draft release for feedback.
7 - Finalize the text, charts, graphics, and content editing.
8 - Publish exclusively here on the Aerodrome so that it'll bring in players from the various other places to help support what Col. Hajj is trying to build.
I figure updating it will be something that happens once new boxed sets get released, etc. I've got all the tools I need since I wore a technical writer and editor's hat at one point in my career and hopefully I can structure it well since my educational background is Instructional Design.
Great plan!
I'll be glad to help 'proof read' anything you produce.
I've identified 106 sections between the 3 rulebooks...So this is going to be a haul...particularly because some are doubled up in their OWN RULEBOOK!!! That 106 is unique sections not counting repeats between rulebooks, etc. I split out diagrams, examples, subheaders, etc. to get that number. I haven't added in any of the FAQ stuff either.
Okay here's the table of contents proposal. I think it's about as close as I can get it at this point. There were some tricky pieces. Ultimately it make more sense to decouple the Balloon entries from the rest of the maneuvering, etc. since they sort of have their own sets of rules. Likewise, groundfire got added into the fire section since the majority of their rules were firing related rather than damage related.
Let me know what you think.
Code:Setup Preparation Game Components Diagram Game Counter Diagram Game Board Diagram Turn Rest of the Turn Victory Tournament Rules Notes on Game Components Maneuvering Planning Movement Movement Diagram Immelman Turns Immelman FAQ Diagram Split-S Turns Split-S Example Overlapping Overlapping During Movement Illegal Moves Exiting the Game Surface Going Out of Control Tailing Altitude Example of Altitude with Minis Dive Dive Example Climb Climb Example 1 Climb Example 2 Climb Rate Chart Sample (Full in Appendix) Landings, Takeoffs & Crashes Landing Takeoff Crashes Planes on the Ground Altitude Optional Rules Overdive Collisions Flying Higher Flying Higher Example Cloud Cover Flying Patrols Firing Firing Firing Example Diagram Aim Shoot at the Real Thing B-Firing Machine Guns Blocked Aim Two-Seaters Second Arc of Fire Second Arc of Fire Diagram Blind Spots for Rear Guns Blind Spots for Rear Guns Diagram Special Rule for Roland C.II Special Rule for Roland C.II Diagram Ground Fire Fire on the Ground Strafing Trenches Anti-Aircraft Guns Friendly Artillery Fire Anti-Aircraft Machine Guns Ground Fire Optional Rules Adjusting the Aim Tailing Under Friendly Artillery Rockets Incendiary Bullets Damage Damage Special Damages Jammed Guns & Explosions Disruption Observer Wounded Bailing Out Running out of Damage Cards Balloons Observation Balloons Balloon Barrages Balloons & Artillery Climbing Altitude with Balloons and Ground Fire Scenarios Designing New Scenarios Dogfight Scenarios Other Scenarios Solitaire Scenarios & Anti-Aircraft Guns Scenarios from Famous Aces Scenarios from Burning Drachens Scenarios from Watch Your Back
It looks really good, and very thorough... and I think that you're crazy. Been looking for a way to go crazy myself, so let me know if you need help.
Oh... nice work...
Last night I put together the entire "Setup" section of the sourcebook minus the diagrams and graphics.
Where possible, I'm going to take graphics from the original rulebooks, but in many cases the background textures don't jive well with the Sourcebook layout so I'll be creating my own.
I may be asking for help from folks who have scanners to scan things I don't yet have.
I own:
Famous Aces
Burning Drachens
Watch Your Back
Top Fighters Booster
Recon Patrol Booster
So I need volunteers (possibly) for the outstanding boosters I don't own (Immelmann and...I forget the other one at this point).
I will also be asking permission from folks who have created custom content in the files section to see if I can include their work or derivatives of it in the sourcebook.
I should have a draft of the Table of Contents, Sourcebook Overview, & Setup section online sometime before the week is out.
USMC1855 has graciously offered to proofread the sourcebook, but I could still use maybe 1 other person. Just PM me and let me know if you're interested.
I think this project may take a while to complete.
The biggest hurdle I ran into yesterday was that for each section that's repeated in multiple books, or in multiple locations in the same book, I had to figure out what was repeated, reworded, or new. On top of that since the rulebooks tend to refer to the game from which they came...there is some degree of editing to the text to make it more product neutral.
Kieth,
With the Bombers Boxed set and the Balloon Busters boxed set soon to be released, anticipate a few new rules to be introduced (Burning Drachens should have everything that may be in the Balloon Busters set). Be ready to insert new additions to the rules as they become available.
Absolutely. Believe me putting new rules in will be A LOT easier than getting this initial load done because there are just so many fiddly things that have to be worked out.
Just a quick status update...
I FINALLY got all the text of the rules from all the various sources into the sourcebook. I added the bombing rules, ace skills, and the optional rules that are only on the Nexus website that didn't make it into the any of the rulebooks.
As it stands, the published rules + published official optional rules are 34 pages of just text.
I know I thought I'd have a sample up at some point this weekend, but it isn't looking like that's going to be the case. I've got a TON of scanning to do to recreate the various charts, diagrams, and examples from the rules and sources. I don't want to get started with that until I read through the rules to see if it all flows like I thought it would, which is going to take a while since it means re-reading and re-sequencing everything.
Thanks for your support and patience while I continue to chug away at this thing! And here's the revised table of contents from the document:
Code:Table of Contents Unofficial Sourcebook Overview 5 Whats Inside? 5 Setup 6 Preparation 6 Game Components Diagram 6 Game Counter Diagram 6 Game Board Diagram 6 Game Turn 6 Rest of the Turn 7 Victory 7 Tournament Rules 7 Notes on Game Components 7 Maneuvering 8 Planning 8 Movement 8 Movement Diagram 8 Immelman Turns 8 Immelman FAQ Diagram 9 Split-S Turns 9 Split-S Example 9 Overlapping 9 Overlapping During Movement 9 Illegal Moves 9 Exiting the Game Surface 10 Tailing 10 Altitude 10 Example of Altitude with Minis 10 Dive 10 Dive Example 11 Climb 11 Climb Example 1 11 Climb Example 2 11 Climb Rate Chart Sample (Full in Appendix) 11 Landings, Takeoffs & Crashes 11 Landing 11 Takeoff 12 Crashes 12 Planes on the Ground 12 Altitude Optional Rules 12 Overdive 12 Collisions 13 Flying Higher 13 Flying Higher Example 13 Cloud Cover 14 Flying Patrols 14 Flying Patrols Example 14 Fly that Ufag Right Now! 14 Firing 15 Firing 15 Firing Example Diagram 15 Aim 15 Aim Example 15 Blocked Aim 16 Shoot at the Real Thing (optional) 16 B-Firing Machine Guns 16 Firing with a Single Machinegun (optional) 16 Two-Seaters 16 Second Arc of Fire 16 Second Arc of Fire Diagram 17 Blind Spots for Rear Guns (optional) 17 Blind Spots for Rear Guns Diagram 17 Special Rule for Roland C.II 17 Special Rule for Roland C.II Diagram 17 Ground Fire 17 Fire on the Ground 17 Strafing 18 Trenches 18 Anti-Aircraft Guns 18 Friendly Artillery Fire 19 Anti-Aircraft Machine Guns 19 Anti-Aircraft Machine Guns Example 19 Ground Fire Optional Rules 20 Adjusting the Aim (optional) 20 Tailing Under Friendly Artillery (optional) 20 Rockets (optional) 20 Incendiary Bullets (optional) 21 Deflection (optional) 21 Bombing 22 How to Bomb 22 Bombing & Altitude 22 Bombing Example 23 Damage 23 Damage 23 Special Damages 23 Jammed Guns & Explosions 25 Jamming Twin Guns (A Firing Planes) (optional) 25 Disruption (optional) 26 Observer Wounded (optional) 26 Bailing Out 26 Running out of Damage Cards 26 Balloons 27 Observation Balloons 27 Balloon Barrages 28 Balloons & Artillery 28 Optional Ace Rules 29 Scenario Rules 29 Campaign Rules: Awarding Victories 29 Special Abilities 30 Pilot Only Abilities 30 Pilot Only Abilities Example 31 Pilots or Observer Individual Abilities 31 Pilots or Observer Airplane Abilities 31 Chivalrous Aptitude Example 32 Scenarios 32 Dogfight Scenarios 32 Other Scenarios 33 Solitaire Scenarios & Anti-Aircraft Guns 33
Another quick update...
I did quite a bit of scanning....this is a painstakingly slow process to re-create the diagrams so that they're both readable, accurate, and look good. I've gone with a slightly different visual style than the rulebooks have so converting the graphics over to the new style is taking some time and ultimately has meant that I'm building them from scratch.
That said, thanks to those of you who have PM'd me with help. I'll be in touch.
Thanks for all your doing. I know they said that computers are going to make your lives better but sometimes you just don't see it. Keep up the good work.Originally Posted by sparty
And thanks again.
Tom
Things are moving forward despite a little hiatus this weekend from the site while I took care of some day job work nearly all day both days this weekend.
I'm cataloging the wonderful charts and diagrams at this point to see where they fit into the structure I created. So far it's been pretty easy because there is great source material out there.
Hey Keith,
Just a word of support since what you are doing seems fundamental in easing the pain of everyone going into the process of leraning the rules at the pace of buying a new box and trying to figure out what's new or in wich booklet is that rule regarding collisions and so on !!!
It is fundamental !
Where do thing you would post your material when it will come to the release point ?
Merci et bravo !
Perhaps we can make some translations in other laguages like german or france and put it in the files section.
And Keith. You're great making such a project *thumbs up*
The final version will be posted in our files section here. I'm sure it will also find its way to other sites as well.
As for translations, we will be looking for some volunteers to do just that once it is complete.
Is this project still in way'
It has been put on hold. Sparty has been slammed with work and has had to take an extended break from working on it. We hope to have it finished at some point.
Just checking in. Hope all's well with the work load.
Tom
Not sure if/when Sparty will make a return, but there has been a combined rule book uploaded to the Files section. I don't think it is as extensive as what Sparty was doing, but it is nice none the less!
Fingers crossed
Here's to hoping that Sparty makes a return. I would really be interested in seeing the completed rulebook. Also, my stint at gradschool is nearing an end, so I would be more than happy to volunteer my proofreading skills.
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